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  1. The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:09:03 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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    So, what's the method to deal with the #eunomia threat, anybody got one?

    I assume the first step is defederating from mastodon.social?

    What about advertising to move people off mastodon.social?

    In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:09:03 CEST from hackers.town permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:15:54 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • dublinux

      @dublinux

      Believe it or not, I am all about a level headed approach.

      This doesn't look good though.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:15:54 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:16:46 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • sungo

      @sungo

      Yeah, I mean the real issue here is the insecure nature of all social networks.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:16:46 CEST permalink
    • Michael W (Warren) Lucas (mwlucas@bsd.network)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:20:37 CEST Michael W (Warren) Lucas Michael W (Warren) Lucas
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      • sungo

      @sungo @thegibson

      300K accounts, yes.

      Many folks use m.s as an entry point. Once we understand the fediverse, we jump off to form our own enclaves.

      I'd like to see someone start another obvious entry point, explicitly labeled as a "learn the fediverse, find your tribe, and move on to make room for others."

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:20:37 CEST permalink
      The Doctor repeated this.
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:23:00 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • sungo

      @sungo

      3xcept the entire federation is potentially threatened... not just mastodon.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:23:00 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:36:34 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Michael W (Warren) Lucas
      • sungo
      • Lord Bowlich

      @lordbowlich @sungo @mwlucas

      Because in the past when we open it up, we got bad faith actors trying to override/poison the community.

      At least that was last year here at H.town.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:36:34 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:38:42 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Random Geek

      @randomgeek

      I'm not sure that the code would matter... it is trivial to setup an instance and Hoover up data from everywhere.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:38:42 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:39:28 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Michael W (Warren) Lucas
      • sungo
      • Lord Bowlich

      @sungo @lordbowlich @mwlucas

      At least since I've known of IRC.... which is since like 1993.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:39:28 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:47:13 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Michael W (Warren) Lucas
      • sungo
      • Lord Bowlich

      @sungo @mwlucas @lordbowlich

      All they have to do here is ask.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:47:13 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:52:58 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Michael W (Warren) Lucas
      • sungo
      • Lord Bowlich

      @sungo @mwlucas @lordbowlich

      Points!

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 18:52:58 CEST permalink
    • peter hessler @openbsd (phessler@bsd.network)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:12:35 CEST peter hessler @openbsd peter hessler @openbsd
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      @thegibson sigh. what's going on now?

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:12:35 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:44:43 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • peter hessler @openbsd

      @phessler

      https://eunomia.social/usecases

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:44:43 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:46:02 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Microwaved Fish
      • peter hessler @openbsd

      @gedvondur @phessler

      https://eunomia.social

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:46:02 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:50:23 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Microwaved Fish

      @gedvondur

      Eugen is on it's board of founders.

      Not that it is necessarily a problem... until he bakes it in.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:50:23 CEST permalink
    • peter hessler @openbsd (phessler@bsd.network)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:51:16 CEST peter hessler @openbsd peter hessler @openbsd
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      • Microwaved Fish

      @thegibson @gedvondur thanks, then I can click on "use cases" and look.

      Don't forget to scroll, because there is a bunch of lazy loading bullshit.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:51:16 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:52:53 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Microwaved Fish

      @gedvondur

      I am largely with you.

      I have been saying for some time that this platform is essentially insecure.

      It is trivial to gather information from it.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:52:53 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:56:22 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • solar-powered artificial scarcity

      @koenaro

      The official word is that it won't be a code thing.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 20:56:22 CEST permalink
    • The Dude Abides (bill@bsd.network)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 21:19:13 CEST The Dude Abides The Dude Abides
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      @thegibson
      I just read the project management report for Eunomia. They are targeting any platform open to activity pub. This includes diaspora, and media sharing sites. They are also targeting linkedin.

      So... they are attacking the protocol.

      One solution would be to migrate to a more private protocol/platform. Zot6 is more privacy focused. There may be others.
      https://zotlabs.com/

      That isn't the only solution, and I'm sure others have better examples.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 21:19:13 CEST permalink
      The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} repeated this.
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 23:12:43 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Andrew (R.S Admin)
      • Michael W (Warren) Lucas
      • sungo
      • Lord Bowlich

      @ajroach42 @sungo @lordbowlich @mwlucas

      Still AP, right?

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 23:12:43 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 23:13:07 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • The Dude Abides
      • Free-range, Nonfat Screaming

      @electricsand @bill

      That is an indicator.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 23:13:07 CEST permalink
    • Radical Edward (radicaledward@hackers.town)'s status on Monday, 08-Apr-2019 23:23:56 CEST Radical Edward Radical Edward
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      @thegibson Brings to mind the walkaway net in the book Walkaway. The openess is a feature even though they know bad actors will take advantage of that.

      In conversation Monday, 08-Apr-2019 23:23:56 CEST permalink
      The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} repeated this.
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 00:20:26 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Nate Cull

      @natecull

      Eunomia.social expressly calls itself a social credit scoring system.

      I don't know that it's just a survey.

      In conversation Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 00:20:26 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 00:26:47 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Nate Cull

      @natecull

      Same.

      In conversation Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 00:26:47 CEST permalink
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 01:02:38 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Andrew (R.S Admin)
      • Michael W (Warren) Lucas
      • sungo
      • dude
      • Lord Bowlich

      @dude @ajroach42 @sungo @lordbowlich @mwlucas

      AP will still land you in their grasp...

      In conversation Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 01:02:38 CEST permalink
    • dude (dude@take.iteasy.club)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 01:08:12 CEST dude dude
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      • Andrew (R.S Admin)
      • Michael W (Warren) Lucas
      • sungo
      • Lord Bowlich
      @thegibson indeed. Recall AP is a thing because of Eugen. He moved on there after he managed to break most of the OStatus network. This isn't meant to be a secure protocol. People trying to take it there (ie by introducing things like federated dm's don't understand the technology let alone opsec). The HUGE difference is the behaviour of the development team compared to Eugen's BDFL model. @ajroach42 @sungo @lordbowlich @mwlucas
      In conversation Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 01:08:12 CEST permalink
      The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} repeated this.
    • The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} (thegibson@hackers.town)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 01:35:14 CEST The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94}
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      • Cathal Garvey

      @cathal

      OK.

      So we don't sell it in the EU?

      In conversation Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 01:35:14 CEST permalink
    • Cathal Garvey (cathal@octodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 01:38:42 CEST Cathal Garvey Cathal Garvey
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      @TheGibson More than that. Unless you can certify that a member is not EU based, you may have to just ban all EU people. Because if you fuck up and infringe an EU person's GDPR rights you could start getting hit with those murderous fines.
      And, some sites have done so: banned EU citizens. That's fine. Would Mastodon.social? I strongly doubt it could be done.
      Also: how does federation interact with GDPR? Would they have to ignore incoming toots in case they were GDPR-covered? 🤷♂️

      In conversation Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 01:38:42 CEST permalink
      The_Gibson{BBS88/net93/94} repeated this.
    • bananachi :verified: (jeff@social.i2p.rocks)'s status on Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 04:02:00 CEST bananachi :verified: bananachi :verified:
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      • dude
      @dude @thegibson yes YES omg this join the onion federation OMfG
      In conversation Tuesday, 09-Apr-2019 04:02:00 CEST permalink

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