So, what's the method to deal with the #eunomia threat, anybody got one?
I assume the first step is defederating from mastodon.social?
What about advertising to move people off mastodon.social?
So, what's the method to deal with the #eunomia threat, anybody got one?
I assume the first step is defederating from mastodon.social?
What about advertising to move people off mastodon.social?
Believe it or not, I am all about a level headed approach.
This doesn't look good though.
Yeah, I mean the real issue here is the insecure nature of all social networks.
300K accounts, yes.
Many folks use m.s as an entry point. Once we understand the fediverse, we jump off to form our own enclaves.
I'd like to see someone start another obvious entry point, explicitly labeled as a "learn the fediverse, find your tribe, and move on to make room for others."
3xcept the entire federation is potentially threatened... not just mastodon.
Because in the past when we open it up, we got bad faith actors trying to override/poison the community.
At least that was last year here at H.town.
I'm not sure that the code would matter... it is trivial to setup an instance and Hoover up data from everywhere.
At least since I've known of IRC.... which is since like 1993.
All they have to do here is ask.
Points!
@thegibson sigh. what's going on now?
Eugen is on it's board of founders.
Not that it is necessarily a problem... until he bakes it in.
@thegibson @gedvondur thanks, then I can click on "use cases" and look.
Don't forget to scroll, because there is a bunch of lazy loading bullshit.
I am largely with you.
I have been saying for some time that this platform is essentially insecure.
It is trivial to gather information from it.
The official word is that it won't be a code thing.
@thegibson
I just read the project management report for Eunomia. They are targeting any platform open to activity pub. This includes diaspora, and media sharing sites. They are also targeting linkedin.
So... they are attacking the protocol.
One solution would be to migrate to a more private protocol/platform. Zot6 is more privacy focused. There may be others.
https://zotlabs.com/
That isn't the only solution, and I'm sure others have better examples.
@ajroach42 @sungo @lordbowlich @mwlucas
Still AP, right?
That is an indicator.
@thegibson Brings to mind the walkaway net in the book Walkaway. The openess is a feature even though they know bad actors will take advantage of that.
Eunomia.social expressly calls itself a social credit scoring system.
I don't know that it's just a survey.
Same.
@dude @ajroach42 @sungo @lordbowlich @mwlucas
AP will still land you in their grasp...
OK.
So we don't sell it in the EU?
@TheGibson More than that. Unless you can certify that a member is not EU based, you may have to just ban all EU people. Because if you fuck up and infringe an EU person's GDPR rights you could start getting hit with those murderous fines.
And, some sites have done so: banned EU citizens. That's fine. Would Mastodon.social? I strongly doubt it could be done.
Also: how does federation interact with GDPR? Would they have to ignore incoming toots in case they were GDPR-covered? 🤷♂️
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