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1. Neon (neon@moe.neon.moe)'s status on Thursday, 07-Feb-2019 22:55:47 CET Neon

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   Seems reading game engine EULAs has become a weekly tradition for me. This time, found this golden nugget in Unity's Privacy Policy: "We also include certain device data collection in the runtime of the software, which is incorporated into the applications you create with the software."

   So basically, you can't make a Unity game that doesn't spy on its players. Funfunfun.

   • :ms_jolly_rodger:​ Katnjia :cacoorbtooexcited: and pettter ✅ repeated this.
   • AniMerrill (animerrill@mastodon.starrevolution.org)'s status on Friday, 08-Feb-2019 00:25:06 CET AniMerrill

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     @neon <insert obligatory Godot Engine plug>

     :ms_jolly_rodger:​ Katnjia :cacoorbtooexcited: repeated this.
   • Neon (neon@moe.neon.moe)'s status on Friday, 08-Feb-2019 14:48:01 CET Neon

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     @AniMerrill You can disable the analytics in UE4, but who knows what it does that they don't tell you about, because one of the things you supposedly have to do to release a UE4 game is write an EULA that all your players have to agree to to play. They have this template that's like an A4 paper filled with "dont sue us" type text.
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   • Neon (neon@moe.neon.moe)'s status on Friday, 08-Feb-2019 14:50:10 CET Neon

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     @AniMerrill @CharredStencil
     Cryengine seems the only big engine that doesn't do super shady stuff, couldn't find anything exceptionally bad in their license. Of course, their royalty stuff is a pain to deal with (eg. you have to send them a notice 3 months before release), but that doesn't really affect the players so I think it's a different problem.

   • Neon (neon@moe.neon.moe)'s status on Friday, 08-Feb-2019 15:01:08 CET Neon

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     @CharredStencil Yeah, I just really like some of the shiny features the big engines provide, which is why I try to make sure I don't crucify them without reason. But it certainly seems like Godot really is the best option.
     @AniMerrill

   • Neon (neon@moe.neon.moe)'s status on Friday, 08-Feb-2019 16:03:07 CET Neon

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     @AniMerrill @CharredStencil I think Unity has WebAssembly export nowadays, so it's not as bad as it used to be. But Godot is definitely better for 2D games, agreed.

   • Neon (neon@moe.neon.moe)'s status on Friday, 08-Feb-2019 17:06:51 CET Neon

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     @Tak Interesting that there isn't any mention of such a thing in the Privacy Policy though. I don't see why they'd ask for such a thing without any conditions and no mention of a toggle, if you could just disable it. Maybe it's just an oversight.

   • Jon Valdés (jonvaldes@mastodon.technology)'s status on Saturday, 09-Feb-2019 20:04:15 CET Jon Valdés

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     @neon at least years ago, analytics could be disabled in the paid unity version, but not in the free one. Not sure about now