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1. D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:26:32 CET D Dino

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   me, any time programming comes up: this reminds me that we should unionize

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   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:27:20 CET D Dino

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     me, whenever there is a data breach: programmers should definitely unionize

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   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:28:13 CET D Dino

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     whenever corpers use software for blatantly evil stuff that gets people killed: yeah we should definitely unionize

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:29:11 CET D Dino

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     whenever i meet another programmer: have you ever thought about... unionizing?

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:30:59 CET D Dino

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     whenever i hear “meritocracy”: oof, sounds like we need a union

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   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:32:40 CET D Dino

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     whenever another programmer mentions unionizing: solidarity forever! solidarity forever! for the union makes us strong

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:34:34 CET D Dino

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     i am always two key words away from singing solidarity forever, and for our mutual safety i cannot reveal them

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:37:16 CET D Dino

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     • Unreasonably Adorabl​e 🌮

     @inmysocks hah! you didn’t think it would be th— It is we who plowed the prairies; built the cities where they trade;
     Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid;
     Now we stand outcast and starving midst the wonders we have made;
     But the union makes us strong.

     Solidarity forever,
     Solidarity forever,
     Solidarity forever,
     For the union makes us strong!

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:39:37 CET D Dino

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     visiting your startup’s office which occupies an old textile mill littered with the ghosts of workers past: mmm smells like you need a union in here

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   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:42:13 CET D Dino

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     • June

     @June when i lived in boston this described like half of all offices i visited, but also have you thought about unionizing?

   • Ekaitz Zárraga 👹 (ekaitzzarraga@mastodon.social)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:42:45 CET Ekaitz Zárraga 👹

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     @garbados HEY LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:43:57 CET D Dino

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     • klepto dismal

     @yet close but no cig— They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn,
     But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn.
     We can break their haughty power, gain our freedom when we learn
     That the union makes us strong.

     Solidarity forever,
     Solidarity forever,
     Solidarity forever,
     For the union makes us strong!

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:45:54 CET D Dino

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     • June

     @June sympathies. i went through similar. no one should have to. glad you’re still here with us ❤️✊️

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:53:44 CET D Dino

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     • ng0

     @ng0 i work for a german company but i don’t know that much about unions in germany. as a foreign contractor, i’m totally disconnected from those systems.

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Sunday, 30-Dec-2018 19:54:28 CET D Dino

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     • ng0

     @ng0 by which i mean, could you tell me more about your experience with unions in germany, both big and small?

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Monday, 31-Dec-2018 08:35:24 CET D Dino

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     • speedfox

     @fox

     > VCs won’t fund companies founded by former union members

     sounds like you need a union

     > more workers co-operatives

     diversity of fronts, comrade

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Monday, 31-Dec-2018 09:10:51 CET D Dino

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     • speedfox

     @fox

     > I don't think you can get the critical mass for a union to work

     you aren't the only one to bring up this point but, regarding software, think about the number of maintainers most common infrastructure has: between zero and three. more than that takes full-time resources and funding, which can be cooperatively obtained, but "a critical mass" is in most cases closer to two programmers than a thousand

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Monday, 31-Dec-2018 09:22:04 CET D Dino

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     > You've missed my point somewhat

     sorry for the flippancy, it's just "union" can refer to so many different kinds of trade and labor organizations while your critique aimed squarely at a very specific form. this happens once or twice whenever i bring up unions so i'm not always inclined to engage the critique.

   • D Dino (garbados@toot.cat)s status den Monday, 31-Dec-2018 21:18:50 CET D Dino

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     • speedfox

     @fox

     > programmers need to collectively negotiate with their employers

     that is the general idea. critiquing specific forms and then concluding "collective bargaining is bad" only helps your boss exploit you.

     i'm in the US where even saying "union" can get you fired. being that our craft is international, we will ultimately need international forms of collectivization in order to demand and establish the high technical and ethical standards that public infrastructure requires.